As far as WHO gets the loss, if the starter let the go ahead run on base, and the reliever lets him score, it is the starter that gets the loss. I score for a summer collegiate league. In the bottom of the 5th the starter gets into trouble, and is relieved. When that half inning is finally over the home team has scored 6. This is the only inning in which the home team scored.
The visitors continue to add runs in later innings but lose Does the starter get the loss because he gave up the 2nd run and gave the home team a lead they did not relinquish? Does the reliever get the loss because he allowed the 6th run, the number needed to surpass the visitors efforts at regaining any lead? Do you see where my confusion is, or am I overthinking it?
The home team definitely needed those 6 runs to win, but when they scored their 2nd run, they had a lead that they never gave up. The starter gets the loss, as he left the game while losing, and the other team never relinquished the lead. Why did Miller get the loss in the July 30 yankee-rangers game when he gave up the walk-off hit but was not charged with the losing run?
This is an excellent question. I see some different boxscores on different sites. On baseball reference it shows Miller charged with an earned run, but strangely it shows Goody with the actual run. This is also impossible. You cannot be charged with an earned run but not the actual run. ESPN shows what I think is the correct boxscore. Miller charged with the run, Goody with no run and Miller gets the loss. If a pitcher allows a base runner in a tie game, is replaced and the relief pitcher allows that run to score and the game is lost, who gets the loss?
I know the pitcher who allowed the runner to get on is charged with the run. But what if the second pitcher gives up a home run? Lets say the score is Pitcher A gives up a single and gets taken out.
Pitcher B gives up a HR to the next batter. The score is now Would Pitcher B get the loss because the second run scores anyways on the home run he gave up? Pitcher A gets the loss. It was the runner pitcher A let on base that ended up scoring the 3rd run which is the one that gave the other team the lead. Pitcher B would only get charged with one run the 4th one which was after they were already losing.
Say someone pinch hits for a pitcher in the 6th with the teams being tied, that team scores in the 6th to take the lead and the pinch hitter then is used as a pitcher. Even though the pinch hitter went on to pitch, he was not officially the pitcher until he took the mound. At that point his team already had the lead so it goes to the previous pitcher.
I thought I understood the win loss until tonights game. Went did scherzer get the loss against the rockies on August 20th? He was down at the end of the sixth, but he finished 6 innings. Nats score 2 in top of 7th to tie the game. Scherzer replace at the beginning of the bottom of the 7th and did not pitch to 1 batter.
The relievers give up 1 run and they go onto lose Fear not. He gave up a hit to Jose Reyes and then got pulled. Reyes subsequently scored. Even though he scored when a reliever was pitching, the run was charged to Scherzer, as he was responsible for him when he left the game.
So Scherzer got charged with 3 runs, and the loss. Say the starter is leading after 6. Relief pitcher comes in during 7th and gives up tying run. Same team regains lead in 8th Closers comes in and strikes out the side in the 9th. Who gets the W? Is a tie considered relinquishing the lead? A tie IS considered relinquishing the lead. If the relief pitcher who gives up the tying run in the 7th is also he one who pitched the 8th, he would be the one that gets the win, as he was the pitcher of record when they took the lead that they did not relinquish.
In the top of the 4th inning, the Visiting team scored 3 runs off the relief pitcher to take the lead, In the bottom of the 4th inning — in this game, the final inning — the Home team scored 2 runs to walk off and win, Who gets the Win? The relief pitcher.
Why is there any minimum number of innings required to give the STARTING pitcher the win when no minimum number of innings is required for a reliever to get the win?
I can only comment on what is in the scoring rules, not the why of how they came about. I would like to understand a situation that occurred in a game from August 26, The Kansas City Athletics were hosting the Detroit Tigers and the game was tied in the 6th inning. Segui came out to pitch in the 7th inning. He got into trouble and was relieved by Jim Dickson.
Dickson, not Segui, got credit for the win. I have a question on if our starting pitcher gets the loss in this situation: in the top of the 6th inning, a runner gets a base hit, steals second, then walks a batter. Starting pitcher comes out and relief pitcher comes in. Then runner on second steals third. Runners on 1st and third and the runner at first leaves early to second and our pitcher steps off and over throws the second basemen and the runner at third scores.
Thanks for this site and your responses. In the next at bat, his team scores the eventual winning runs. Subsequent relief pitchers hold the opposing team to no further runs. I would very much like to assign the win to a subsequent and better performing reliever.
There is however a comment in the scoring rules Based on that limited guidance, I would personally give him the win since he did pitch an entire inning.
A youth starter went 6 full innings and came out with a lead. The one relief pitcher in the top of the 7th allowed the opposition to tie but completed the inning. The home team won in a walk-off in the bottom of the 7th. The pitcher of record when the winning runs scored gets the win. Same reply as above: August 30, Three pitchers used in a high school game. Starter goes 4 complete and leaves the game with a 2 to 1 lead. After 7 innings the game is tied Relief pitcher throws the 5th, 6th and 7th.
We take the lead in the top of the 8th 3 -2 and a third pitcher closes the game. Does the pitcher that threw the 5th, 6th and 7th get the win, the closer get the save and the starter gets a no decision? Four pitchers are used; first pitcher goes 3 innings, 2nd pitcher goes 3 innings, 3rd pitchers goes 2 inning, and the final pitcher goes 1 inning. All pitches do well; no pitcher is replaced for poor performance.
The four pitchers collectively pitch a shutout and win The offense scored one run in the 1st inning and one run in fourth inning. So the lead was established while the first pitcher was in the game and the lead was never relinquished. The first pitcher gave up one hit; the second pitched gave up no hits. The win was officially awarded to the second pitcher. Oakland , San Diego , Milwaukee.
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Doug Jones. However, sometimes a pitcher cannot get the job done via a win and receives a blown save. So what does a blown save mean, how can a pitcher get that unofficial stat, and who has some of the most blown saves in baseball? Find out more below. The save rule opportunity in baseball occurs when a new pitcher not the starting pitcher comes into a game with a three-run lead or less and completes the win for their team. The save opportunity could be as little as a third of an inning to pitching three innings in a row.
If the pitcher came into the game with a three-run or less lead and then got additional runs, they will still earn the save record.
If the pitcher gets a double play to end the inning, and then his team scores seven runs in the next inning, they can still record a save if they pitch the ninth and secure the win. A blown save BS in baseball occurs when a relief pitcher cannot secure the save situation by allowing a tying run or winning run to score.
An example of a blown save occurs if a reliever came in in the ninth with a two-run lead and gave up two runs or more. A blown save can occur before the ninth inning of a baseball game.
If the New York Yankees pitcher gave up a home run against the hitter of the Astros that ties the game, they Yankees pitcher would receive the blown save. The save thus measures only one task asked of relievers. Other jobs, such as keeping a team in the game, getting out of a jam, and pitching in extra innings , are not covered by official statistics. This is why sabermetricians have devised a number of other measurements for relievers that seek to indicate which pitchers have been most successful in relief, whether or not they post gaudy save totals.
A blown save abbreviated BS is charged to a pitcher who enters a game in a save situation but allows the tying run to score. Blown saves were introduced in , but are not an officially recognized statistic although many sources keep track of them.
Once a pitcher blows a save, he is no longer eligible to earn a save in that game since the lead that he was trying to "save" has disappeared although he can earn a win if his team regains the lead. He could, theoretically, earn the save if he moves to another position and resumes pitching at a later point if a save situation is once again in effect. For this reason, most closers' records include few wins. Closers make the majority of their appearances with their team already ahead, so when a closer earns a win, he has often blown a save first.
Middle relievers often compile many more blown saves than saves, since they get the former every time they fail, but rarely get the chance anymore to finish the game and earn the save when they do their job well. As a result, ignorant commentators will often say that a middle reliever is not cut out to be a closer since he has such a poor save percentage, even though those numbers are not at all comparable to those of closers.
To circumvent that problem, the hold statistic has been created, and is in effect a save credited to a middle reliever. Tough saves are used to determine points for the Rolaids Relief Man Award.
A "Tough Save" occurs when a pitcher gets a save with the tying run on base. Also, if a reliever enters a game in a non-save situation and gives up the lead before being replaced, he will be assessed a two-point penalty same as a blown save but will not be charged with a blown save since the opportunity for a save did not exist.
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